Host Mundanara Bayles is guided by Aboriginal Terms of Reference which is the accumulated knowledge that Aboriginal people developed over the tens of thousands of years of living in this land, now known as Australia.

Relationships are at the core of Aboriginal Culture and Society and in our whole history of living in this country we never invaded our neighbours.

An Aboriginal Terms of Reference introduction is based on “Who you are and not what you do”, this way of introduction has been practiced by Aboriginal people since the first sunrise. From an Aboriginal perspective this way of introduction reinforces our humaness, we are much more than our job titles.

Kyle Leong wants more mob talking about money and making money!

The Koko-bera man from the small Aboriginal community of Kowanyama was born and raised on Turrabal/Jaggera land and now lives on Giabal/Jarowair land with his 3 children and his wife.

Kyle is also the Senior Manager for Retail Banking Services (RBS) Indigenous Engagement for Commonwealth Bank where he is responsible for the recruitment and retention of Indigenous employees and has recently launched a pilot program that gives mob the knowledge and skills to take control of their finances.

If someone knows a thing or two about hiring mob and financial literacy, it’s this fulla!

This week we sat down and had a yarn with Kyle about the steps businesses can take to ensure they’re doing the right kind of work when engaging with First Nations people. We also talk about how central financial literacy is to changing intergenerational outcomes for all Indigenous people.

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The Black Magic Woman Podcast is hosted by Mundanara Bayles and is an uplifting conversational style program featuring mainly Aboriginal guests and explores issues of importance to Aboriginal people and communities.  Mundanara is guided by Aboriginal Terms of Reference and focusses more on who people are rather than on what they do.

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