Host Mundanara Bayles is guided by Aboriginal Terms of Reference which is the accumulated knowledge that Aboriginal people developed over the tens of thousands of years of living in this land, now known as Australia.

Relationships are at the core of Aboriginal Culture and Society and in our whole history of living in this country we never invaded our neighbours.

An Aboriginal Terms of Reference introduction is based on “Who you are and not what you do”, this way of introduction has been practiced by Aboriginal people since the first sunrise. From an Aboriginal perspective this way of introduction reinforces our humaness, we are much more than our job titles.

This episode is a big one. The inimitable Wiradjuri man and journalist, Stan Grant, joined Mundanara on stage to celebrate BlackCard’s tenth birthday and NAIDOC Week. What unfolded was a very special conversation on survival, love and yindyamarra. Yindyamarra, in Wirajduri language, means respect. More than that though, Stan says: “it means respect even when others don’t respect you. It means the respect that comes from knowing where you are, the country you are from, what has given birth to us.”

Words to hold on to. I hope you enjoy this very special yarn!

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The Black Magic Woman Podcast is hosted by Mundanara Bayles and is an uplifting conversational style program featuring mainly Aboriginal guests and explores issues of importance to Aboriginal people and communities.  Mundanara is guided by Aboriginal Terms of Reference and focusses more on who people are rather than on what they do.

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